WEBVTT NOTE Episode 122: Constellation Novels: Olga Tokarczuk on Writing in Fragments 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Your novels are made of fragments. Why does that shape feel truer to you than a single continuous plot? 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:31.000 Because that's how we actually experience the world — in shards, in interruptions, on trains, between messages. I call it a constellation novel. You give the reader points of light and their mind draws the lines, and the shape they draw is part of the book. A tidy plot pretends life arrives in order. It doesn't. 3 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:35.000 Was that difficult to sell to publishers? 4 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:59.000 At first, yes. I was told readers want a hero and a chase. I think readers are far more curious than that; they simply aren't asked very often. And a fragment has an enormous advantage — you can put a seventeenth-century anatomist next to a woman losing her family in an airport and the collision does the work of forty pages of explanation. 5 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.000 You worked as a psychologist. What did that leave in the writing? 6 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:20.000 A tolerance for other people's logic. Everybody's reasoning makes perfect sense from inside; the job is to stand inside it long enough to describe it without mockery. That's clinical training and it's also, I think, the entire moral technique of a novel. 7 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.000 What is writing for? 8 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:41.000 To practise tenderness towards what isn't ourselves. I mean animals, objects, strangers, the dead. Literature is the only instrument we have that lets you be someone else for a few hours and come back changed. That's not decoration. That's a kind of civic equipment. 9 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.000 One piece of advice? 10 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:55.000 Keep a notebook of things that have no use yet. Most of my books began as a page of unrelated notes that refused to be thrown away.